COSMIC TRANSLATION CLASS 7 - GREATSTAR'S EYETALK - astronomy from inner greater consciousness points of view Re: the skeleton arms of M110. In passing through another larger body and all of the dust and gas has been stripped away leaving only the hot clusters still in place due to the clusters larger densities in angular momemtums along the original arm, creating a skeletom arm outlined by the hot clusters which were not altered due to their higher inertia contents contained in the higher densities of their angular momentums in each hot cluster. The following are notes gathered quietly over a 6 1/2 hour period. Each note was originally target specific that is referred to an image or group of images. Today, the images are not included, the whispering greater insights the images evoked are included. Anyone interested in reading this will guickly reach a new concenses as to how to approach astronomy images and ideas in general and how to approach specific images in new wonder, new curiousity, new interpretations. BRIEF HISTORY OF GREATSTAR'S EYETALK GREATSTAR'S EYETALK INTENTS The Greatstar Eyetalk project began with a simple idea to gather a few similarities in different images and present them together in one study, Eyestalks was the first simple gathering, showing a few images of 'eyestalks'. Next was the idea to show galaxies with similar aspects to their cores. It started in earnest when one of the galaxies (under enlargement) turned out to have a core so similar in look to another that it was thought both were the same, the first having come from a dim astronomy image downloaded from a major astronomy site on the Internet and when amplified mightily with brights out came more details. One of the details was that the core seemed s-shaped. This immediately led to another pursuit, pushing the limits on well known core image of M51 by Hubble and lo yes an s-shape. This led to two more studies, cores, and the 'dark' media of astronomy images. This run of interests came to a close with the compiling of the Miscellaneous and Miscellaneous 1 studies, both which had images rounded up that had not seemed to fit easily elsewhere. Which opened up a new channel of investigation rather suddenly, in that along the way a number of images when brightened past reasonable limits seemed to show sudden new characters that did not fit in any known astronomy classification or understanding. The idea occurred to push a number of these images past their reasonable limits of brightness to see what might be going on there, and, it turned out, plenty. The Eclectia study was the first to pursue this new venue of discovery, in which interloper intrusions in the form of Cosmic Quarks, deep keep space fabrics, dark energy, and the like, became certifyably describable. The results filled out into Sea of Discovery, Blaze-atron, and Cosmic Holiday. Which brings us to the present, circ christmas 1997, where it looks like everything is done that is going to be done for this project. It contains many images not seen in 'Full Public Disclosure'. Following is a brief history of how 'Eyetalk' came into light and came to be abandoned. But not forgotten or worthless. 'Eyetalk' compliments 'Full Public Disclosure' in a big way. You will see different slants and views plus many expanded interpretations of lusty themes just touched on or not mentioned in 'Full Public Disclosure'. A single proviso is that the images of 'Eyetalk' are not developed to their razz 3D extent not brillient in detail and colors because many new touches and techniques were learned during the developement of 'Full Public Disclosure' these (the new) not passed on backward into 'Greatstar's Eyetalk,' too much work for a low payoff BRIEF HISTORY During the spring through summer of 1997 images were being factored in Virtual 3D in a wider and wider range of subject matters and celestial objects. These began to gather into collections under an umbrella titled 'UNIVERSE'. 'Universe' was coming together in topics such as Mars at 80 megs, plus smaller big ones like Andromeda, Sun, Moons, Planets, Lagoon, Orion, Proof, Distance, Eta, Nebula, none of them looking at the big picture behind the scenes in deep keep space or at full maximum enhancement THE START OF GREATSTAR'S EYETALK On Labor Day weekend of Sept 1, 1997 it was decided to grab a few of the highlight images for a quick package presentation of Virtual 3D Stereo as applied to astronomy, which didn't work. Almost at once some new discoveries were made in factoring the chosen images for better content. It was also learned that one image was not enough, two or more images were typically needed to disclose a feature where just one could easily lead a viewer astray by allowing ready import of false concept, false interpretation, a problem solved by having several images sealed and leading into or around any subject matter. Thus came into being the project now known as GREATSTAR'S EYETALK. Along the way it was 'discovered' that second city imprints in an image that occasionally happened by when the image was overenhanced by exuberance was in fact 'second city features', that these overenthused images being busily ignored were telling us something of VITAL importance. The tight knit gloves came off. A firm glint appeared in both eyes. The keys of the clickmouse were eyeballed with intense ferosity. All bets were off. An image was given full crank, the whole enchelada in Ohm-Watts to see what would happen, and THINGS begin to appear in pure black space of the astronomy photo. That might seem like a small event to you. But it was two and 1/2 more months of full time effort for me, every image had to be rechecked for its deep keep space content. Only a few were real good ones showing stuff in self evident snappers, the rest indicating that something is there which has to be looked at seriously. One image, effectionately called 'Ulio Uglacius; sitting beside the space station named 'Deep Space Nine' both in the famed Hourglass Nebula picture by Hubble, came up one day in what I concider fantastic color, because since then, try again as I may I have not been able to duplicate that color or degree of clarity of 'Ulio Uglacius'. I had seen vague indications of Ulio before when the light striking the computer screen was right but no Cosmic Quark sitting there like a cop in the middle of a pitch black space picture was self evident until one day presto there it was. I mention this because it proves to me that the deep space between celestical objects is just as vital maybe prehaps in fact even more rich in Cosmic activities, than that which we, normal, see as ahem, galaxies, nebulas, star fields, galaxy clusters. And so on. A word in the push for what is between galaxies. I cannot point to a single image in the collection of the two CD ROM disks and say 'there, see, what did I tell you' not like I can with Ulio Uglacius and the space station named Deep Space Nine. But there seems to be every reason to believe that galaxies are connected by flowing rivers and tendrils and even imbedded within large acts of congress which are so precise they can be drawn on a piece of paper, none of these things, not even a tiny thread on the hem of the garment, seen in standard astronomy views in which ANYTHING in space beyond or around the target is THROWN AWAY so the target can seem brilliently professional sitting surrounded by the pitch of black, a universe that does not exist in Reality but only in the minds of humans who want to impress each other with how much they DO NOT KNOW about the Supreme Creators. You see, what I am getting at, here, is, that, galaxies, nebulas and whatnot, are what's left over, the end product, the overplus in the 3rd dimension, the Cosmic Quarks and other deep keep space formations are what allow the galaxies and such to happen, and are put there by thought MEANWHILE BACK AT THE WATER TAP Greatstar's Eyetalk kept gathering together during the fall of 1997, images being sought then wrought in thematic paths, many glories storied in Batman and Robin episodes under the orchestration of Inspector Luminous In the last weekend of December 1997 a request came forth for a quick resume of Virtual Stereo, the resume then gathered as a quick grab of salient images from the Greatstar's Eyestalk project and almost at once a same problem re-occurred, that one image was not enough, too easy for viewers to be sent astray in false speculations, false beliefs about an image, several images of a given subject were needed to stablize the viewscene into one in which understanding was being passed along instead of conceit. Further, as this new project began to rapidly expand forth, several new aspects of Cosmological images turned up, as well as several new techniques for improving latent stereo, resulting in a short term project expanding into a four month round the clock saga night and day 14 to 20 hours non stop each day seven days a week without a single day off, continuing the schedule set in motion by start of the Greatstar project. The new came to be known as FULL PUBLIC DISCLOSURE now on a CD ROM with 4 files on a second disk in the same package. The larger part on the 2nd CD ROM disk - GREATSTAR'S EYETALK is all of the original work which supplied many initial images or insights for FULL PUBLIC DISCLOSURE. Where as all of the images in Full Public Disclosure have been finished to the best of my ability, those of Greatstar's Eyetalk are not, that is, the images are as is, at the state of developement when the project stopped and Full Public Disclosure began fully underway within a hour of having a new idea NOW ONTO THE MAIN SHOW NOT SOLD IN MOVIE VIDEOS IN SUPERMARKETS Save yourself enormous aggravation and headaches per online minute charges, slow load times, etc. and buy this whole astronomy teaching site for a user friendly fee. Not here, these don't have it, a waste of time just a few name dropping terms to impress others is all the money buys. INSTEAD THERE ARE ALTERNATIVES TO WHET INFORMATION SEEKING Well, here we go, a whole new kettle of ask. Yet another Andromeda image with R I L L S this one a Hubble image no less, the rills barely making it into view because Hubble's are not usually set for wide range all-color captures, nevertheless coaxing and tweeking the knobs of the image editor until they spoke has coaxed some visible moire into view on the right side of our big friend, exactly where moire in the other film photo moire are seen. Neato, Hubble, Andromeda has gravity waves The notion of a counterswing clockwise rotation as interpreted by reading the moire doppler shifts is as real as it gets. The gravitic doppler properties at Andromeda are elsewhere collaborated by careful motion studies using small frequency shifts in Andromeda's electromagnetic spectum via telescopes over a long period of time to determine an identical motion, as seen in electromagnetism. The same doppler motions are seen in gravity waves at Andromeda except, the gravity waves are standing right out in the open magnified at cosmic proportions whereas the electromagnetic doppler frequency shifts designating motions are housed at atomic levels effected in ever atom and molecule radiating electromagnetic light from Andromeda. Two entirely separate states of fundamental physics produce two entirely identical results Dr. Watson. After a year and a half I finally found an image which, when enhanced, reveals the motions of Andromeda in real time space. The left end is slueing up and away from the camera, the right end is slueing down and toward the camera, which accounts for the fact that Andromeda has a slight flap-jack shape, left end up, right end down. Think more as the bent tails of a wicker broom on the floor, sweeping the broom foward from your right side, sweeping the broom back from your left side as a quick model to picture the actual sweeping deep space motions around and beyond the enormous thinkhole comprising the center area. The images showing this are within a big page visitastronomy.com/andromed.htm UNIFYING THE ENERGY PRINCIPLES Impact vibrations in principle have a look and feel which seems to have a hand in everything from subatomic particles to galaxies and galaxy superclusters. All carrier forces from the Strong, Weak, Gravity, and Electromagnetic, seem to co-operate in making the propigations and steady states work using aids such as Relativity and lineal sum combinations, with ratios transforming magnitudes in between the states and statuses comprising the foundations A steady state impact image can be re-enforced by a synchronous propigation which is not in lock-step with the steady state image. It can even be more re-enforced by something moving. If many gravity waves are passing a marked point in many different wave frequencies and from many directions in different amplitudes and volumes, destructive standing waves do not build up because new steady-state waves build up cancelling the unharmonic and re-enforcing all wave combinations that are working harmoniously together. The steady-state startup can be temporary for instance when a tide of gravity waves is on the move and finishes passing by. Impact vibrations exist, and are described here: http://www.visitastronomy.com/impact.txt http://www.visitastronomy.com/impact.htm http://www.visitastronomy.com/dynamics.txt http://www.visitastronomy.com/appendix.txt Even though this old ground based DSS photo of NGC 2440 looks like the bottom of a lady's purse compared to a smashing Hubble view or one from an ESO today, it still has enough perform to tell us many strange things about motions and angular momentums and contructions of galaxies even about a center pole through the core on axis at right angles to the longtitudinal expanse of the galactic extended main shaft Dusty galaxy Circinus has a blaring hornblower off the end of its core in-withstanding that it is six sided the horn is from principles which dominated creation before changes set in A 'jet engine', a spoot where remnants of a fast traveller racing around the gravity comes shooting out in a dollop. Here is one across a valley of arms across the top of the Whirlpool M51, a thin straight trail ends in a dollop bursting forth. 'Jet engines' can be seen in most every galaxy image you look at Jet engines are abundantly collected and shown here: http://www.visitastronomy.com/jet.htm RE: BETA PEG, ARCTURUS Yes shouts (hands rubbing gleefully together) the gold boy wins again. The Pleiades and Merope are not the only stars with mottling peppering their diaphanous Moon Cloud drifts. This means that image plate flaws coming from morning dew sprinkled on the world's best telescope lenses is not the cause of mottling. Mix-mastered sundry matter and prototype star forming material are the mottles. The question did the chicken or the egg come first is again foremost when seeing the mottles. Is this the aftermath of other stars torn apart by the turbines of gravitational tides getting too close for comfort the fierce tidal pools intermixing by the other two stars. Or is this diaphanous drifts collected in deep space along the star-pair's travels and is being intermixed by the twin star's constantly changing tidal pools into hot and cold mixtures of seething cross polarities and clusters of opposite charges, like squirrels being tumbled in a clothes dryer chewing the clothes into similar sized gobs as the squirrels tumble (hot - squirrels, cold - your clothes). Two giant close neighbored stars with the exotic names R Cononae Australis and TY Cononae Australis are well peppered with mottles spotting the world of their realms of existence. In the much higher DPI of a good graphics editor, mottling is not so much seen. Instead is seen that the two stars are in a deep density of miscellaneus surrounding deep space matter. In fact, the two stars turn out to be none other than these already seen in an ESO image, in fact the mysterious studebaker door handle is right there in the lower trailing edge of the sundry matter mass. In the extra high DPI of a graphics editor thumbnails, Aldebaran shows concentric rings proceeding outward from center, these would be in image density gradiants of only a few percentils, not seen at at in normal image displays for this Aldebaran Dss image. The hooky is that the concentrics are real, but that extra special circumstances have to be involved to see them. TIPS AND HINTS - HINT HINT Tired of trying to teach yourself astronomy by online lessons that cost money? BLURB FOR VISITASTONOMY.COM Amateur astronomers learn more in minutes at this site than anywhere else. Astronomy enthusiasts will never have to learn again once they get into visitastronomy astronomy images. Everything here is different, or prior unknown in astronomy. Professionals need to examine missing mass evidence here. Amateurs and casuals can thoroughly enjoy and have their eyes opened. Treat yourself to low cost do-it-yourself learning in the fast lanes you do at home in your own computer. Guaranteed you will learn more about what counts in galaxies, nebulas, and the whole solar system, than any where else, yes, alone at home, just you and your computer and our online packages, what else is there in astronomy today than how much and how much it costs and how much we can make from y o u r interest. Yes, these are the questions that count, says the thing dotting the last i, crossing the last t, getting the last link to go online selling astronomy to little kids parents and old people who don't want to be left out of the rush to be galaxy coherent according to those who want to make the most money from your interest and intuitives about curiousity in the greater nature of things, sorry the money is misspent there is nothing onlines can teach you about where you are going into the rearing already visible future of planet translation. Your one-stop top way to learn. Your eye through the world to the universe. Look direct to - visitastronomy.com - Nerds, vorps, dweebs, eggnogs, propellor heads, even thin brainers can profit by this no brainer approach to learning astronomy in the new age. No academic diarrhia. The name Einstein isn't mentioned even once and certainly no prayers to Saint Einstein's picture on the wall. You won't need a slide rule or ephemeris it isn't that kind of teaching. If you want to know where missing mass is, want to see arms made of galaxies, want to know how arms writhe and behave in 3D, want to be able to answer many astronomy questions the moment a pro posts a new picture that asks the question, prepare yourself the easy way. No risk, no failures, no exams. It is entirely up to you to make the most of a golden age opportunity. Use no money. Spare any expense. What you can really know is out there when you look for it online and self confident that someone elses drivel describing a puky picture is what it seems, puky, not something that you are missing because the adjectives seem to describe a photo of a galaxy so real, so bright, so magnificent it is hanging in space right in your room over your computer but isn't it is a puky little dim blurred image in computer midscreen and the person a pro who described it is hallucinating. GALAXIES IN CHAOS A brand new and original description of how to obtain stereo 3D images from single Mono photographs, then used to complile a complete re-description of the Cosmos in forms of galaxies and nebulas plus entity objects in terms of fundamental understructures both their topologies and recurrenced features. The result is unlike anything you have ever imaged for the Universe. NOT ever forgetting that any stereo from a Mono photo, no matter how slight, is worth far more than 10,000 pictures of the same thing in Mono. Which one to read first. It doesn't matter, there is no starting place. Well, rolls are back in the headlines. This chism from the upper left looks like a gouge made by Pee-wee's marbles, something rolled across the limb taking out stuff as it cruised serenely on off into the sunset off the edge of the photo, too bad that rest of the cruise wasn't captured in the picture, perhaps we could have seen what it was that sculpts so effectively the whipped cream of the rims of Bodes galaxy. Delta river spill planes are concidered an action of a galaxy 'breathing'. Something energetic within the core is periodically firing projectiles which arc out in small packets of ejecta, which accounts for the irregularity of the spills, the fact of the spills spraying out in a rooster tail within the galaxy means the spraying source (rapidly spinning polar axis object deep inside core central) is itself on the move inexorably changing horizon position as the jets continue to fire in short bursts, the degree of horizon lifting shift in the delta plane should be able to tell you about velocity of the rotating cannon within. One of the images making the rounds on the Internet is able to show a river bubbling off the core of Andromeda and streaming in a river around the right flank, the river boiling off the top of the core and aimed north east to the rear is extremely diffuse, it would seem, since no Andromeda image so far shows any overt matriculation as to what compounds or gases, dusts, molecules, comprises the river RE: - VISITASTRONOMY.COM/3314.HTM Any professional astronomer who reads this will be given the best stone they have ever had in their lives. EMAIL TO ASTRONOMERS CURIOUS ABOUT ELBOW ARMS Hello Joe waddaya know. Its Greydon Moore again I'm back, got sidetracked for a couple of months on another project then the hard drive crashed leaving a couple of months more until the astronomy datas all intact (past where the ruined boot and hardware installations were wiped) was streamed to another drive by error correction software in a sealed airtight room completely free of any dust or drifting particles. The next stage of this project has been finished, a definative look at galaxy dynamics. It is now here at these URLs: http://www.visitastronomy.com/property.htm http://www.visitastronomy.com/arms.htm Entropy drives toward grand harmonious states as a way of withdrawing itself from chaos. I can recall a super massive version of the image which is somewhere in one of my over 100 directories of astronomy images and downloads but do not know where it may reside in my current collection of hard drives totalling 40 gigabytes, or if the massive image is in one of the prior drives now being kept for history archives (drafts etc.) which comprise another 7 gigs of hard drive memory space filled with images Why the above stiff given to NASA is I wanted to cut another piece with the migrating souls and enhance it using new techniques evolved over the past half year to see if it would be possible to see the star comet tails more clearly, for this the massive image would be just fine, but, no luck, can't find the massive image anywhere on the net Above. A double check to where the rattle was the loudest oh what luck produced the massive NASA original in one of my 20 gig hard drives, so here, next, is a new cut from the massive original, enhanced to show the star comets in handsome self evident detail World's largest Internet filename contest. Lets start with this, an image from an astronomy site on the Internet has gained profound professional force by dint of its uncharacteristically long name, like professionals who offer a long list of degrees and credits after their name on a business card, usually the zeal reflected in the credentials far outways the credential's actual capability. So it is in images, this one is ho hum, no hot pop, not worthy of the world's largest name If I were asked what image should Hubble shoot, three different would be said without hesitation. First, as much as possible the space around Bode's Galaxy with as many of the other galaxies in the galaxy cluster view as possible, but, mainly as much of the space as can be got, in all frequencies. Secondly, the chimney in the Crab nebula, its a protrusion that sticks up like the neck of a clam and in a green colored image by the Mt Polamar Observatory is part of a large hexagonal formation that looks very much like the energy formation of a quartz chrystal. Thirdly, there are three motors, each found at a different time in different mode of thought frequency so each described on the CD ROM in Full Public Disclosure in different terms but each seems to be very similar if not the same in fundamental formation. The first is a 'motor' in the Triangulum Galaxy, specifically, in a star field image of a tiny extension of Triangulum captured by Hubble. The second is on the outer left edge of the Antennae colliding galaxies, called this time a ''dynamo' looking very 'motor'', original by Hubble, amplified by do-it-your-self home magnification and amplification by a moi' to great detail showing thousands of hot blue new star clusters involved. The third is found on the side of galaxy NGC 1365 and since it is sticking out from the side it is called a 'Woodtick' and is small in comparison to the other two, and seems to be dynamically moving along the edge even while being tethered by some very precise 'motor' formations and power cords to the galaxy limb. What these 'motors' are is your guess, mine is small black holes, a similar such motor might be the common critter found at the center of globular blusters, er, clusters, I think. In any case ANY better view we can get of a 'motor' is going to be worth the gas and hydro you must spend to get your photo And then, sitting reading the Saturday funnies, a connection came to mind, sure enough, a double check confirmed it is the Sunflower Galaxy one and the same in fact the Discover Mag photo so close to the one I was already using to illustrate hoils you'd think an atom had teleported in energy to the Discover Mag newsoom telling them how to cut the picture In pattern that makes cause galaxies follow the same energy flows that move through atoms or, rather, the crystal shapes that make up the many mansions of atoms I can see clearly now how energy flows around and in through atoms. The same is the pattern platform for galaxies even as I see in detail the electron's extraordinary six sided patterns and diamonds made of hexagram diamonds sitting in place in the whole atom ionnic diffraction pattern bot a single curved line is in the image of locked electrons not even one single line made of curve The whole interior layout of this crystal is designed to encourage and promote cyclonnic motions, an inbuilt wave guide, but not for lineal progressors, it is designed for motor cycles racing around a cyclodrome The layered diamond and conal pointed stationary platforms seen for the atom clusters within the crystal, point to direction (because they are the direction) through which the energy moves. Which or what energies. Can't say. Charge fields and ions? magnetic fields lines? photons unattached as energy quantums but still in quantum zone non-radiate form because of angular momentum inside the lattice of atoms? as virtual photons? All of them? It is possible the circular wave guide pattern is captured in this photo by photon light at extremely low amplitude yet enough to register patterns, but not enough field strength (photons) to make the photo bright with light. Where the wave guide information is coming from begs issue - photons or electrons or some other auroral reactor, the question is still unchanged - 'the wave guide is there in the picture'. In fact is it possible some of the faint curving vectors from bright hexo objects are by cherenkof radiation from elecrons on the move these being random electrons not locked in the harmonic ionnic grid comprising the atom's substances formed of fundamental powerful energy formulas made of hexagrams and diamonds having 30 degree angles at their tips Images RED 3 and RED 4 are two different astronomy false color renderings of the same photo of the Giant Red Spot. In the overall, the Red Spot is not that deep, no deep invert waterspout poked centerhole down that swirls in your sink. The small insucking downholes can be around the edges of the Red Spot. The center area seems to be a region of turbulent moil while also being the central vortex sunk into Jupiter. It is clear that near zero degree temperature of cold outer space is being sucked into this oriface on Jupiter. Why, is a question that raises eyebrows, both at once, high. High school physics would suggest that is possible only if the pressure down below is less than under the rest of the Planet cover of atmosphere. Faster travelling gas over a upthust Here is an image which has 'sonics'. Sonics is an element whereby objects, especially small objects, stand forth in space, you can 'see' space behind them. The sonics in this image were by chance, that is, lucky strikes on contrasts and brightness controls led to a combination that suddenly had much more stereo than did a number of similar images being done in different enhancing ways. Following in an image with good stereo. The immediately after is the image with particularly good sonics. You will see in an instant the difference. All images are free. That way there is no copywrite infringements or violations. What you have paid for or obtained are the 3D presentations, browser menuing systems, and image descriptions. In Divine Order. GALAXIES IN CHAOS ILLUMINATED BY GREATSTAR'S EYETALK Here is another M101 image (called NGC 5????) from the Internet. It is only partial, it does not show the outer tang (twin arms) on the right, but does have better show of the missing mass in regional densities between the arms. FOR PERFECT ECLIPSES>>>>> The standard imaging model for eclipses. Note the lack of scale, note the false impression created by public consumers who see this image (and others like it consistently over the years) and come to instinctively formulate images that have eclipse parts verrry large and very close together. The truth is that a 1 inch marble placed 390 inches from a 4 inch marble models the Earth and Moon, and a 400 inch blazing yellow balloon placed 200,000 (two hundred thousand) inches from the 4 inch marble models the Sun in space from Earth. As you can see it is impossible to show such magnetudes and proportions in true perspective simply due to the fault of scaling factors but there should be something said in any representation of a solar eclipse indicating true persectives, true proportions, true magnetudes, so that individuals do not go through life crippled with totally false (and illusionary beliefs) about eclipses other than basic correct premises about the optics involved, such as suitably shown in the above MARS CATASTROPHE - for MARS.HTM Everything about Mars suggests a slow moving large object slammed a hole into what is now the larger pole, causing a matter slew originating at the pole to spill down in a major basin on a large portion of the upper hemisphere, shock waves in occilating ripples moving forth to concentrate around the midrift causing the Mars 'Grand Canyon' as a major rupture opening up around a substantial growth of the equator in seismetically catastrophic strengths (almost split the planet in half you might think). I do not know what the exact Mars elevations are, but keep hearing persistent reports that canyon walls can be 100 miles deep. It makes me believe that atmosphere could be so thick down in the Mars canyons and deeper crevaces that it could be as thick as viscous soupy acid rains. Whether the Grand Canyon was ever liquid filled is a moot point, the fact of interest is what caused such a canyon in the first place. Mars images are here: http://www.visitastronomy.com/mars.htm --------------there is a pyramid on Mars, not Egyption style, this one is five sided, or so it seems. One clean facet is clearly seen, the work of engineers. 2 other facets may be inferrred as completing the white area. The black area looks like rubble from a major collapse of two sides, although there is also the appearance of a deep chasm. But wait, when turned upsidedown a real black area turns into a long thin high wall, curving by the right hand side lining a walled chasm extending outward away from the view. Which raises a question, are the original vague two white facets actually a real pyramid, and is it in fact five, or four, sided? Optical illusions are definately foiling the senses. Better photos by Mars rockets will tell, unless digital techniques are around sophisticated enough to make some perfect sense of this particular artifact. ----------------------signs of too much advanced technology may be starting to appear. For instance those nice looking huge 'building blocks' of stone may not be there at all. It has happened that the center portion of image 'nasa frame 35A72' at the beginning of this sequence was cut and pasted into a new file, which even though black and white was color enhanced with all colors Red Green and Blue set to +20, and the result then further techologized by further enhancements of -17 on Brilliance and + 30 on Contrast. At which point those huge building stones became as clear as chiclets suddenly appearing as an old movie stars missing teeth. Which raises a major question of doubt, did the brains of nanotechs construct the building blocks entirely out of pixels in my computer, or did Martians build them entirely out of intelligence. It will be interesting to see in future time if those blocks are real or not on Mars. (-finished-) By Greydon Moore greydie@look.com